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  Where is it written?

  by Ultimate Axiom in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  some time ago i came across this quote claiming to be from a watchtower publication;.

  1953 –“bible chronology also fixes the time for christ's second presence and the assuming of his right to rule as at 1914; this date was published in the watchtower as early as 1879, 35 years before 1914.” (tscp 3).

  this is of course misleading, for while the date was indeed published in watchtowers from the very beginning, christ’s second presence and his becoming king were not assigned to that year until many years after (1933 and 1922 respectively, to be precise)..

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  Ultimate Axiom

  Excellent, thanks a lot Earnest.
  
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  Where is it written?

  by Ultimate Axiom in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  some time ago i came across this quote claiming to be from a watchtower publication;.

  1953 –“bible chronology also fixes the time for christ's second presence and the assuming of his right to rule as at 1914; this date was published in the watchtower as early as 1879, 35 years before 1914.” (tscp 3).

  this is of course misleading, for while the date was indeed published in watchtowers from the very beginning, christ’s second presence and his becoming king were not assigned to that year until many years after (1933 and 1922 respectively, to be precise)..

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  Ultimate Axiom

  Some time ago I came across this quote claiming to be from a Watchtower publication;

  1953 –“Bible chronology also fixes the time for Christ's second presence and the assuming of his right to rule as at 1914; this date was published in The Watchtower as early as 1879, 35 years before 1914.” (TSCP 3)

  This is of course misleading, for while the date was indeed published in Watchtowers from the very beginning, Christ’s second presence and his becoming king were not assigned to that year until many years after (1933 and 1922 respectively, to be precise).

  However, I am having great difficulty tracking the source for this quote. Does anyone on this forum know what book/booklet/document TSCP stands for? Presumably published in 1953.
  
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  Double Standards of the Watchtower

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  are you aware of any double standards promoted by the organization of jehovah's witnesses?

  here a a few i am aware of:.

  1. the wts equated joining the ymca with apostasy but felt free to join the un for 10 years (1991-2001).

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  Ultimate Axiom

  Try some of these

  One of the reasons is that people are disturbed by what is happening in their churches. Yes, millions of persons have been shocked to learn that things they were taught as being vital for salvation are now considered by their church to be wrong. Have you, too, felt discouragement, or even despair, because of what is happening in your church? A businessman in Medellin, Colombia, expressed the effect the changes have had on many. “Tell me,” he asked, “how can I have confidence in anything? How can I believe in the Bible, in God, or have faith? Just ten years ago we Catholics had the absolute truth, we put all our faith in this. Now the pope and our priests are telling us this is not the way to believe any more, but we are to believe ‘new things.’ How do I know the ‘new things’ will be the truth in five years?” (Awake! April 22, 1970, page 8)

  In the summer of 1946, I was baptized at the international convention in Cleveland, Ohio. Although I was only six years of age, I was determined to fulfill my dedication to Jehovah. (Watchtower, March 1, 1992, page 27)

  BAPTIZED AT SEVEN. Paola, who lives in western Mexico, is being raised by her grandparents. Yearbook 2011, page 58).

  Renzo, now eight years old, was baptized at a circuit assembly in Bonaire. (Yearbook 2002, page 110)

  Now ten years old, Persis is baptized and is serving as an auxiliary pioneer while in school. (Yearbook 2011, page 54).

  Of course, admitting we made a mistake is the right, honest and decent thing to do. But it is more than that. It is also the course of wisdom. For one thing, admitting to having made a mistake is a lesson in humility. This, on the one hand, protects us from the snare of pride, which is ever ready to entrap us. And, on the other hand, the humbling experience of admitting we made a mistake may well serve to make us more careful so that we will be less likely to make that same mistake again. Wisely we are warned: "He that is covering over his transgressions will not succeed [with God], but he that is confessing and leaving them will be shown mercy"—by God and by God’s servants. Yes, the very confessing of our errors will aid us to leave them.—Prov. 28:13. (Awake! February 8, a973, page 4.

  “… if we want to be fair-minded, we must be willing to subject our own opinions to continual testing as we take in new information. We must realize that they are, after all, opinions. Their trustworthiness depends on the validity of our facts, on the quality of our reasoning, and on the standards or values that we choose to apply.” (June 22, 2000, page 10)

  “You may wisely decide against putting your trust in imperfect men and their fallible predictions and promises.” (Watchtower, March 15, 1966, page 168).

  “The Catholic Church occupies a very significant position in the world and claims to be the way of salvation for hundreds of millions of people. Any organization that assumes that position should be willing to submit to scrutiny and criticism.” (Awake! August 22, 1984, page 28).
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  The Ghost of Christmas Past

  by Ex-Witless in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  title: the ghost of christmas past .

  i remember the day christmas ended for me, too young to know what that meant.

  a hole in my heart every holiday season is something i’d live to resent.one day long ago i was six or so when dad explained it to me.

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  Nice one, Ex-witness, I too can relate to that. It was decades after I left before I could bring myself to join in the Christmas festivities, such was the baggage I was carrying. And like smiddy3, I too was on the other side, depriving my kids of Christmas (not to mention birthdays) and making their school-day Christmases a nightmare.
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  Yesterday's Watchtower Study (from October issue) "Stay Faithful Through the Gt. Tribulation"

  by BluesBrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this article has all the trappings of wts apocalyptic theology, doom and destruction for "the world" salvation into paradise for the faithful .a schedule of future events is described thus :.

  1) a worldwide proclamation of peace and security.

  2) the destruction of "babylon the great"......it confidently names the characters from this visionary biblical reference, without any supporting reasons.. 3)the nations will then , as gog of magog , attack the wts and the members .

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  It is crazy, but it’s not new. Just a rehash of Chapter 21 of their Gods Kingdom Rules book from 2014, in which we find this lovely summary. Love the Gangas quote though, they just don’t get the irony do they?

  
  
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  'Experiences(tm)'! Made up or totally true??

  by punkofnice in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  at one assembly(tm), i was asked to relate an 'experience(tm)' which i did.

  however, during rehearsals, the geezer in charge elder or co or some such title, told me that i shouldn't tell it the way it was.

  i did a 're-enactment(tm)' with another 'brother(tm)'.

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  I was asked to give several experiences back in the day, but I was never asked to change or embellish any of them – looks like I was in a minority. But I was aware of many who would exaggerate almost everything. On one occasion a brother approached me and said, “so I hear you were chased down the road by a vicar the other day”. At first I had no idea what he was talking about. Here's what actually happened. A young brother and I had called on a house where a vicar lived, and after a fairly lively ten minutes we left and went to the next house. Within minutes the vicar had come out, and from the street called out to this householder not to listen to us because we were bonkers. He then went back inside and I thought no more of it.
  

  Some people are renowned for exaggerating and they obviously know who they are. On one occasion in general conversation with a small group I made the observation that as exaggerating is designed to give a false impression, I considered it to be the same a lying. I wasn’t directing that remark to anyone in particular, but one of the sisters in this group immediately said, “are you saying I’m a liar?” I laughed inside, and thought, well if the caps fits.
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  Greta Thunberg...what’s your view of her?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  she certainly is passionate about climate change.

  🤔.

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  I think that she, like all of the “loony left” are looking at this climate change issue the wrong way. Instead of trying to prevent global warming, we should be welcoming it. The planet doesn’t need extinction rebellion, it needs extinction acceleration. We need to get to as many tipping points as we can, and as soon as possible. Once the human race is extinct, Planet Earth will be so much better off, and who knows, in a couple of million years, maybe a truly intelligent species will evolve. One that doesn’t adhere to primitive and barbaric religions. One that doesn’t kill other animals for fun. One that isn’t driven by insatiable greed, where even billionaires are not satisfied. One that doesn’t allow 90% of the wealth to be accumulated in the hands of 1% of the population. One that doesn’t allow millions to starve while throwing away half the food it produces. One that doesn’t think it’s OK to pay a footballer more in a month than a nurse or a teacher in their entire lifetime. One that doesn’t just destroy its own habitat, but those of countless other species without a second thought. Yes, Planet Earth would be so much better off without the human parasite, so if you really care about our planet, buy bigger cars and make more and more unnecessary journeys in them, leave the engine running whenever you can, take more of those cheap flights for unnecessary weekend breaks, protest against every wind and solar farm in the pipeline, campaign for more coal-fired power stations, and above all, continue to elect morons and buffoons as heads of government.
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  Did You Think Jehovah’s Witnesses Were Typically “Racists”?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was a jw from infancy.

  we had a melting pot type of congregation.

  i grew up with all types of witnesses , all with different backgrounds.

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  Just because you don't agree, doesn't mean she isn't correct.

  I don't disagree, and I think she was correct. But at the time (when I imagine the divorce rate among mixed race couples was even higher than today) I thought it was odd coming from a JW. Incidentally, my first marriage was mixed race - it lasted 14 years - but race was never an issue..
  
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  Did you EVER falsify your report card ?

  by Chook in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  every single watchtower soldier lied to god out of fear of the brooklyn popes..

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  I started out a very conscientious pioneer, but when I approached the end of the month and was ten or twenty hours short, I ‘borrowed’ from the next month. It wasn’t long before the time spent in the first week or two of any given month was included in the previous month’s report. I didn’t see it as falsifying, so my conscience remained clear. A couple of times I managed to get the deficit down to single figures, but when I started to wake up the whole thing became a fallacy – hours, placements, studies, the lot. I spent many hours standing on doors knowing that no one was home, towards the end I didn’t even bother knocking on the door. My last year of service probably amounted to 120 hours, of which I reckon I spent less than 120 minutes actually talking to people. The weird thing is, even now after nearly 40 years, I still have the occasional dream about being on field service.
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  Did You Think Jehovah’s Witnesses Were Typically “Racists”?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was a jw from infancy.

  we had a melting pot type of congregation.

  i grew up with all types of witnesses , all with different backgrounds.

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  I can honestly say (and it’s about the only thing I am grateful to JWs for) that becoming a JW completely cured me of racism. Before that I was a typical young white, London born, English Nationalist who hated all black people and wanted them all repatriated.

  However, years later I did find it a bit odd that the black presiding overseer of a neighbouring congregation that was predominantly black, was reportedly having issues of racism from white servants in that congregation. I heard that from the presiding overseer of my congregation, and a few years after that, the black presiding overseer stepped down, declining to become an elder when that system was introduced in the early 70s.

  I also found it odd when the engagement of a white brother to a black sister was announced, an older black sister commented that they shouldn’t be marrying each other because mixed marriages invite difficulties, and they were just bringing unnecessary troubles down on their own heads. I didn’t take that as racism, but I did think she should keep those sort of thoughts to herself.